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i'm chris wallace. governor mike pence will be here. only on fox news sunday. on his role in the campaign. are you the cleanup crew? >> top never trump. >> they say we can't trust donald trump to be commander in chief. >> and trump's claim president obama and hillary clinton founded isis. >> now trump says that he was being sarcastic. so governor, which is it? >> governor mike pence, one-on-one. it's a fox news sunday exclusive. then new questions about the relationship between the clinton foundation and the state department.
supporter, about the possibility of an fbi investigation. plus, the candidates clash over the economy. >> he wants america to work for him and his friends at the expense of everyone else. >> every policy she has tilts the playing field towards another countries. at our expense. >> we'll ask our sunday panel what their plans will do for your pocketbooks. all right now on fox news sunday. and hello again from fox news well, it's been quite a week for both presidential candidates. donald trump and hillary clinton laid out their programs to get the economy growing faster and both had to deal with new controversy. trump from more self-inflicted wounds, clinton from still more e-mails that showed a cozy relationship between the clinton foundation and her state department. on friday we traveled to the governor's residence in
republican vice presidential nominee, mike pence. in his first sunday show interview since the conventions, we talked about the challenges facing both campaigns. governor pence, welcome back to fox news sunday and thank you for inviting us to the governor's residence. >> thanks, chris. welcome back to indiana. >> do you believe that hillary clinton was involved in a pay to play arrangement as secretary of state with big donors for the clinton foundation? >> well, it looks that way more and more every day, doesn't it? the new e-mails made public just in the direct connection between favors done by state department officials and major foreign donors to the clinton foundation. the american people have a right to know. i think people of this country are tired of the pay to play politics in washington, d.c. i promise you, when donald trump and i arrive at the white house, we're going to bring all of that to an end. >> do you have any evidence that she actually took actions as a result of these big donations. when you say the american people
think there should be an investigation, a federal investigation? >> well, certainly, the officials at the fbi also found out this week believe that there should be an investigation and obama's department of justice apparently has shut that down. look, these are very serious allegations. now we have evidence in writing in this e-mail chain of connections between foreign donors to the clinton foundation and officials at the state >> take any action in response to that? >> that's what we need to find out. we really do. the public has a right to know. really and truly, this is exactly the kind much pay to play politics the american people are sick and tired of. frankly, it is just one more example of the way i believe that the clintons have been operating over the past years. it's one of the reasons why the american people have a fixed
we so much need to elect donald trump as the next president of the united states. >> now, donald trump has opened a new line of attack against hillary clinton saying that she and obama were the most valuable players for isis. >> isis is honoring president obama. he is the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis. he's the founder. he's and i would say the co-founder would be crooked hillary clinton. >> you and he spent a day defending his remarks, saying that they were serious. now trump says that he was being sarcastic. governor, which is it? >> i think he was being very serious and he was making a point that needs to be made. but there is no question that the failed policies of president
state hillary clinton in the wider middle east created a vacuum within iraq in which isis was able to arise. there's simply no question. >> why is he saying he was sarcastic? >> well, he was making a very serious point. >> he said he was being sarcastic. >> he was making a serious point. donald trump has a way of talking that gets people's attention. it's drawn attention to an important issue. there was a time when the democrat president knew where the buck stopped in the whit the failed policies in the middle east that created the environment where isis developed belongs to president barack obama and secretary of state hillary clinton and the american people know that. >> governor, those are all perfectly legitimate points to make but that isn't what trump said. he said that obama and clinton were the most valuable players of isis. that they were the co-founders of isis. then he said, well, i was just being sarcastic about that. just as he said he was just being sarcastic about inviting
e-mails of hillary clinton's. isn't the sarcastic excuse getting a bit old? >> no, i don't think it's getting old at all, chris. donald trump made his way through a competitive primary because he spoke not like your typical politician but plainly like an everyday american. speaking plainly is exactly what the american people will anticipate in the course of this election but more importantly, they'll have a president w and they'll hear him loud and clear. >> he's making a major speech about rad al islam i can terrorism. he has not offered details as to how he would beat isis. what is his plan? >> get ready. monday in ohio i will be with him on that day. he'll do what he did last monday on his economic plan. he's going to lay out his vision and strategy for defeating
>> specifics? >> you'll be ready for specifics about how new leadership in the white house, a change of direction in the white house and broad shouldered leadership that donald trump will bring will make our country more safe. >> but this week, 50 former top national security officials, all of them republican, said that they could not vote for donald trump, so did a respected moderate republican senator, susan collins and what they said was that he's too president. >> we all felt strongly enough about what we believed to be a clear and present danger that we felt compelled to say what we said. >> we're talking here, sir, about a senior senator, former head of the cia, two former secretaries of homeland security. they say we can't trust donald trump to be commander in kmeef. >> well, you know, i'm old enough to remember a president that you covered a few years back who, when he was running
thing. >> there was never that mass defection from owe. >> just as much criticism of ronald reagan's broad shouldered approach to foreign policy. i understand when a lot of the people in the establishment that have been part of the very policies that have put the world stage in the condition that it is today have anxiety about the clear-eyed leadership that he's going to bring. >> both trump and clinton offered their economic plans this week and there were some big differences, especially on taxes. trump cuts taxes clinton raises them. trump wants to repeal the estate tax which already exempts the first $5 million for an individual. clinton raises the estate tax and trump wants a new tax deduction to cover child care expenses. clinton says expanding the child care tax credit helps lower income families more. question governor, why shouldn't middle class families look at the two mans and say at least on taxes clinton offers them a
>> i think not only middle class americans like my wife and i, but all americans know the pathway to prosperity is not going to be found in raising taxes. hillary clinton's planning over a trillion dollars in tax increases. that 47-minute speech she did, i was told it's over a trillion dollars in spending. what donald trump laid out, in a very real sense, what's worked here in indiana and worked in republican-led states. they earn. you unleash the power of the economy by rolling back regulation and red tape, repealing obamacare. you end the war on coal. and develop all the energy resources of our land. and thin you have tougher and smarter trade deals and that will get this economy moving again. hillary clinton's plan is just more of the same old, same old failed policies that have led us to a place where, chris, we're in the middle of the slowest economic recovery since the great depression.
income to 15% and clinton says the result of that is that trump would give himself a big tax cut. she even has a name for it. >> let's call it the trump loophole. because it would allow him to pay less than half the current tax rate on income from many of his companies. he'd pay a lower rate than millions of middle class families. >> the united states has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the western world, chris. it's driving jobs out of this country. and donald trump is committed not only to cutting taxes across the board for every american but also lowering the corporate tax rate so that businesses, large and small, can be competitive. >> governor, we're talking about something called pass through business income and analysts say
top 1%. so if he's cutting the income tax rate for this kind of business income, 2/3 of it is going to the top 1%. they're making out, not the middle class. >> i don't think the american people spend the time that people on the left panned hillary clinton and their supporters spend picking winners and losers in the economy. the american people know if we pick the right policies, everybodyer everybody wins. for more than a decade, real personal income has stagnant. i know that hillary clinton and her team said that the expectations that donald trump articulated were wildly unrealistic. what i think is wildly unrealistic is electing the same people with the same ideas and expecting a different result. >> let's do a lightning round. quick questions, quick answers. you had an interesting exchange with a young man on the campaign trail recently. >> i've been noticing that you've been up on mr. trump's
is this going to be your role in the administration? >> sometimes things don't always come out like you mean, right? >> are you the cleanup crew? >> i couldn't be more honored to be campaigning shoulder to shoulder with a man who i believe is going to be the next president of the united states. >> you do have to clean up and explain some of the things he says? >> we have different styles. as i told that little boy, we have exactly the same convictions. we both believe we can make america great again if of standing tall on the world stage, rebuilding military, unleashing full potential of the american economy and letting the people stand tall again. >> trump banned reporters he thinks are unfair from attending his campaign events. you said you were going to talk to him about that. have you gotten him to lift the black list? >> i don't think donald trump is having any problem getting press at this point. >> he gets an awful --
i know you have a strong people about a free press. have you gotten him to change his mind? >> we'll keep our private conversations private. but that's an ongoing discussion in the campaign. i'll -- i do believe in the public's right to know. whether it's about these latest allegations about hillary clinton or otherwise. we'll continue to do advance that principle. >> you have been running for office, winning office, serving the country for about a quarter of a when you hear donald trump go after a gold star family, when you hear him refusing to endorse someone like paul ryan, when you hear him suggest that he might not defend our nato allies, as a serious man, do you ever shake your head? >> i really couldn't be more honored to be standing shoulder to shoulder with donald trump. he's not someone that spent a lifetime in politics.
i truly do believe this good man is going to be a great president of the united states. >> people are increasingly concerned about his temperament because of the statements he makes in public. what would you say to people who have those doubts, may think gee, i'm not crazy about hillary clinton but i'm scared of donald trump? >> i would say stay tuned. it's very early in this campaign. this coming monday, you're going to see a vision for confronting radical islamic terrorism. last week you heard a approach to having a growing economy. >> you're saying don't give up on him? >> i'm saying stay tuned. it's still early in this campaign and i'm just -- i am very confident. >> let's talk about you and your record. you signed a religious freedom law last year that under heavy fire you agreed to soften. let me ask you personally. do you believe that a business owner, a person who owns a bakery, a photography shop, whatever, should have the right
feels that it violates his religious convictions? >> chris if i was in a restaurant and saw someone denied service because they were gay, my family wouldn't eat there again. i don't believe in discrimination or support it. when there's a conflict of rights, those are the proper purview of the courts. daye believe that the efforts we made in indiana contributed to being able to things as americans have done through generations. >> finally, you signed an abortion bill this year that bans a woman from getting an abortion because her fetus has genetic abnormaliabnormalities. i know you would like to see roe vs. wade reversed. given the fact that it's still the law of the land, why does a state have the authority to limit the reasons a woman has top end her pregnancy? >> i'm pro-life.
i'd like to see roe vs. wade overturned and confined to the ash heap of history. we took a stand in indiana that frankly many countries have taken that abortions for the reason of race or sex are morely offensive. we stand by that. but we also cherish those who have disabilities in the state of indiana. taking a step in the direction of protecting the unborn who are facing physical challenges and disabilities. i think -- >> you still believe that, that it would be a woman should not be allowed to have an abortion? >> it's before the courts right now. the courts will resolve that matter. >> but you still believe that? >> i believe in the sanctity of life. i stand for that principle and i am grateful to be standing with donald trump in his strong commitment to the right to life. >> governor, thank you. safe travels on the campaign
>> great to be with you. up next, democratic senator claire mccaskill, one of hillary clinton's earliest supporters, responds to governor pence and to new questions about links between the clinton foundation and hillary clinton's state department. energy is a complex challenge. people want power. and power plants account for more than a third of energy-related carbon emissions. the challenge is to capture the emissions before they're released into the atmosphere.
time as secretary of state. this as polls show clinton pulling ahead of donald trump in key swing states. joining me now from st. louis. senator claire mccaskill, one of the first members of congress to endorse clinton for president. senator, the state department released more e-mails this week under a lawsuit that raised serious questions about the link between the clinton foundation and the state department when hillary clinton was the secretary there. you just say that the american people have a right to know if there was a pay to play situation. do you support the idea of an investigation? >> well, first of all, let's give this context, chris. this was a right wing partisan organization judicial watch that has been after hillary clinton for decades. they got thousands of e-mails, they released two of them trying to give the perception of a problem. but if you really look at those
recommending a former staffer for a job and other was jauss somebody who wanted to give the state department information. there's no evidence that hillary clinton ever changed anything she did in the state department based on any activities of the clinton foundation. there's none. >> well, let's take a look at that second case that you're talking about. this involves a fellow named doug band who was a top official at the clinton foundation. he e-mails uma abedin, one of secretary aides to arrange for a man who contributed $1 million to the foundation to talk to a top u.s. official. senator mccaskill, you don't have a problem with big donors to the foundation getting favors from the state department? >> well, first of all, all this gentleman wanted to do was give information. he's asking for nothing. >> but we don't know that. that's what gilbert shah gory says.
give back millions of dollars. he says he wanted to talk to tell them about what his insight into the election in lebanon. we don't know if that's true. >> well, we do know this. we know there's no evidence based on what the state department has said in the last few days based on all of the investigations that have been done around an unprecedented release of e-mails in government. that there are no laws that have been broken. there was no evidence there was any pay frankly, this is a distraction for the trump campaign, which is a dumpster fire at this point. i think they are anxious to try to get people to look over here, look over here. because if you look at what donald trump is saying and doing, it is in many ways frightening. >> well, i'm going to get into that in a minute. i do want to ask you one more question with regard to this. you say that there were no favors done.
rajiv fernando. he was a securities trader that gave at least $1 million to the foundation and appointed to the international security advisory board, senator, although he had absolutely no qualifications or experience in that area. >> i'm not sure that was a good idea. on the other hand, i think everyone kind of glosses over the fact that this foundation was doing charitable work around the world. i mean, how much time has been given to work of the clinton foundation. this wasn't money going in the clinton family's pocket. this was money going to fight malaria and aids and to lower child mortality around the globe. >> you can't argue that that justifies putting a big donor on an official advisory board who had no experience in that area and when his -- that fact that he was on the board was
>> i will just say, i don't know why he quit. i don't know why he was appointed. i do know this. no one has been investigated more than hillary clinton in the history of presidential politics. i know that when jim comey was lauded by the republicans prior to him saying no law had been broken, they changed their tune when he didn't give them the answer they wanted. frankly, donald trump is on a campaign to undermine law enforcement in this country by eating at the very fabric of trust in the fbi which i think is really unfortunate. >> all right. let's talk about the economic plan that clinton unveiled this week and let's go through it. she would raise taxes $1.2 trillion over the decade as i said to governor pence. almost all of it on the rich. she wants $1.4 trillion from more in government spepg, including $275 billion more for infrastructure and she wants
that have given us the weakest recovery since 1949? >> well, i would argue that trump's economic plan is more of the same. because once again, it's all about helping the 1%. i don't think that donald trump understands that most americans are frustrated at stagnating wages and the shrinking of the middle class. it's a real contrast between the two economic plans. one is about, yes, infrastructure, which we did he say need. same old same old. let's take care of the wealthy in this country while midding class families are struggling whether they can afford to send their kids to college. she is representing the change in terms of what our economy really needs. he's representing exactly what we have now. >> but governor, you're talking about stagnating the middle
the middle class. clinton is talking about higher taxes, more government spending and regulation. that's been the obama policy for the last eight years. isn't she offering the same old same old? let me say in terms of infrastructure, there was a big stimulus package and when obama first came in and we still have all these problems and a weak recovery. >> we certainly did a better job coming out of the deep hole that the bush in in most countries of the world because of our stimulus program. we had month, 75, 75 straight months of job growth in this country because of the economic policies of this administration. but we know we have to do more. we have to make sure that college is a reachable goal for all americans. not just donald trump's family. we need to make sure that the rich pay their fair share, which clearly they are not right now.
specificity laying out a real roadmap for the middle class, the other one taking care of himself which should be no surprise. >> let's turn to donald trump's charge that hillary clinton was one of the founders of isis. while that was clearly over the top, the fact is that she was the secretary of state at the time that the obama administration pulled all u.s. troops out of iraq. she was the secretary of state pushing president obama to intervene in libya create a vacuum that isis has helped if you. doesn't she bear some responsibility for it this. >> the language donald trump has used is disrespectful to the military that is out there fighting isis every day. just last week, chris, we took out eight tankers in isis, we took out mortar, hit a tactical
by 20%. the men and women risking their lives every day through the orders of their commander in chief, when they hear a presidential candidate try to act like our president is on the bad guy's side, how do you think that makes him feel as they're out there in the filed fighting? >> in fairness, senator, he isn't criticizing for denigrating the work of the military. he's saying president obama and hillary clinton made some bad present situation. >> well, you can -- there's a lot of reasons that isis rose up. one was the status of forces agreement known as sofa that bush negotiated. we couldn't leave our troops in iraq even if the president wanted to. the parliament was refusing to give them i am municipality. trump probably thinks the sofa, the status of forces agreement is a guilded pouch.
this. it was also important to realize that assad, by what he did in his country, allowed isis to move into what was then iraq, al qaeda and iraq into syria and get strongholds and recruit. that was the work and support of putin who is trump's best buddy. you can say trump and his friend putin are the founder of isis, which probably would be more accurate than calling out the mm >> well, i'm glad for that last comment. that will certainly get donald trump's attention. senator mccaskill, thank you. thanks for your time this week. always good to talk with you. >> thank you. up next, more on the controversies facing both candidates. we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss that and the growing clinton lead in the polls. plus, what would you like to ask the panel about the clinton foundation and a potential fbi
dunkin' donuts' unbelievable selection of breakfast sandwiches, freshly made all day, so you can enjoy them any type of way, any time of day. that's breakfast whenevs. america runs on dunkin'. donald trump simply does not have the temperament to be president and commander in chief of the united states. >> hillary clinton said i don't like his tone. see, i don't like her temperament because her temperament is the temperament of a loser. we need a tough temperament. >> hillary clinton and donald trump each getting personal
it's time now for our sunday group. syndicated columnist george will, bob woodward from the "washington post," charles lane also from the post and rachel campos-duffy, the national spokesperson for the libra initiative, a nonprofit that education latinos about conservative positions. it's hard to keep up with the controversial things that donald trump says. here are the highlights just from this week. >> if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. >> having a tremendous problem in utah. utah is a different place. is anybody here from utah? i mean, i didn't think so. so i said, the founder of isis. obviously i'm being sarcastic. then, but not that sarcastic to be honest with you.
supporter. does any of that give you pause? >> let me say personally, i think for me personally, i think between trump and hillary, i'm a hash tag never hillary. i'm a nonprofit that's nonpartisan. i'm here representing them. listen, here is the lesson from this week for him. if this campaign is about trump, trump loses. if this becomes about hillary, her corruption, if it becomes about supreme court judges, if it becomes about her dismal record as then i think he has a shot of winning. i want to point out one double standard here. back in april hillary state, "his insulting language towards muslims is making him the recruiting sergeant for isis." this was not even a blip in the news cycle. i think it's more proof that the media focuses on things that frankly you guys and me included a little nervous, things that trump says versus things she has done that ought to scare us.
lies, the lack of conscience and of course, making the world more dangerous under her watch. >> under than that, she's doing a heck of a job. >> other than that, she's great. >> trump's self-inflicted wounds and/or the coverage of it seems to be catching up with him. there were bad numbers from key swing states. let's put the numbers up. in florida, trump is down 5. in north carolina, he's down 9. in virginia, trump down 13. chuck, we're three weeks from -- still from labor day, tomorrow. how serious is this? >> terribly serious for donald trump. especially serious in the following way. every time he's gotten into trouble in the past, his answer has been to say look at my polls or look at my ratings.
how he harps on things. that has been his answer to everything. now he doesn't have that answer. the polls are showing that the american people, especially in these swing states, are being turned off by the things that he's saying. there was a theory of a trump victory that went something like this. he will take some old blue states and turn them red. now what's happening is purple states are turning blue. >> like utah. >> people are -- he could lose utah, yes. >> then there's hillary clinton and these latest e-mails that indicate a cozy relationship between the clinton foundation and big donors there. and hillary clinton's state department. what do you make of all this money going to the foundation or going for huge fees for bill clinton's speeches and how the state department treated those people? >> serious unanswered questions.
a moment. what's going on here? what's this all about with her and trump? in the case of trump, i have really no idea what he might do if he ever became president. if you look at the statements, the proposals, the ideas, it's a kind of a garage sale and i don't know that there's a rembrandt behind that lawn mower that won't he has not communicated that. she has somewhat communicated what she o would do. her personal e-mails, remember the fbi director said there are thousands of e-mails, work-related, that were not turned over. there are those top secret discussions, very, very serious.
>> let me just pick it up on the foundation. that was the new news this week. one case, doug band twho was, as we pointed out, a top official at the foundation, the clinton campaign says no, no, no. he wasn't working there. he was working as a personal aide, which he was also to president clinton, not in his role as a top official of the foundation or the head of the global initiative. isn't that part of the problem. this public and and private all got m >> of course. i mean, the e-mails all go together. it's not just the clinton foundation. what's on her personal e-mail servers? thousands of things that were not turned over. you find democrats talking to reporters who cover national security asking, do you know anything? what's going on? they're holding their breath that there might be something
her candidacy and even worse, damaging to the national security. >> we asked you for questions for the panel and we asked about the clinton foundation. we got this on twitter from john carney. he tweeted, why did justice department not pursue this about the lengths to the clinton foundation. was obama giving clinton another free pass? george, how do you answer, john? and do you think the lengths, the nexus between the initiative, the big fees for the clintons' speeches and her work as secretary of state will be a problem in this campaign? >> it will be if the media makes it such. the irs scandal, the defining scandal, the suppression of advocacy by conservative groups simply died from media lack of interest. you use the phrase a moment ago, chris, that the public and private got tangled up. hillary clinton looks at the
progressivism. progressive believes that the government should be everywhere and in everything. that everything is political. a natural consequence of progressivism is a blurring of the ultimately the erase you are of the public and private series of life. it's natural to flow from that that you would send a state department employee to work on -- with interests in the state department would give to would get tangled up. now, will this matter in the end? first of all, it's complex. second, it's very hard to demonstrate. you saw claire mccaskill denying it. a quid pro quo connection. that's always hard. third, there's a question, will the media drive this and finally, with the clintons responding, this is old news, the question is can they run out the clock between now and election day? my answer is probably. >> the clock has run out for
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don't believe it. >> all hillary clinton has to offer is more of the same, more taxes, more regulations, more bureaucrats, more restrictions on american energy and on american production. more of that. >> hillary clinton and donald trump each arguing why they're the one to get the economy growing faster and we're back now with a panel. george, how do you compare the trump and clinton ecom when it comes to taxes and spending? >> they agree on two things. one is the infrastructure. they wanted to use the low cost borrowing environment to double down on that. second, they want to change tax treatment in some way or another to repatriot the $2 trillion parked overseas of american corporate earnings. she, trump is right, wants to double down on the regulatory, more regulations, higher taxes, more governmental indication of wealth and opportunity in
he wants to double down on the 1980s. the stimulative effect of tax cuts and lighter regulation. the problem is, both of them discuss this without looking at the architecture of the federal budget. 67% of the budget goes to entitlement programs. another 7% to debt service. another 17% for defense for those of you keeping score at home. that's 91% of the federal budget. a few more uncontrollables in there, you end up with 6.5% of spending. they're going to do all of this with that? it defies belief. >> for both of them you're saying? >> the money is not there. >> entitlement reform. >> yeah. even barack obama thinks that in his heart he has said, yeah, it's inconceivable that we don't
reform because that's almost all of budget and soon will be. there is this obstacle, at least as best we can tell from the polling, called the republican house of representatives. if hillary becomes president, these things aren't going to happen. i mean, i think george is kind of saying the liberal progressive state is at least stalled in the middle of the road right now. >> big problem is the american that won't put up with any entitlement reform. >> there is an opportunity here. rolling back regulations will stimulate business opportunities for americans. i think if you don't mind, i want to talk quickly about this. this is an important demographic. this is the most entrepreneurial demo in the country. start businesses at three times the rate of the average american. there's an opportunity for donald trump as a successful businessman to talk about how his plan will help them start your businesses, make it easier
easier, roll back taxes, and frankly, he's not taking that opportunity. he might have actually ruined any chances by some of his earlier comments. however, there is an opportunity, especially in florida as you know, which is a very important state, we have a thousand puerto rican families moving a month, people who have experience in real time, the effects of big unsustainable government. there's a conversation to be had. i don't think that campaign is taking advantage it. >> this is the question i raed hillary clinton's plan, which is tax cuts -- tax increases on the wealthy, more regulation, more spending, more government spending, things like infrastructure is basically obama 2.0. >> in a way, to just democratic party doctrine going back decades, in that sense it is obama 2.0 because obama was a democrat. what strikes me as new and different about the democrats
free trade and free trade agreements. hillary clinton herself as secretary of state supported the trans pacific partnership that barack obama has championed with republican support and has been forced off of that by bernie sanders and by donald trump. when i looked the at the two speeches this week, i saw you have donald trump, which is a grab bag of protectionism and tax cuts for the rich. and hillary clinton's was a grab bag of protectionism and -- f the only difference is that hillary's polls slightly better because the market, if you agree with the poll, it's the market for tax increases on the rich is strong. whether it's old democratic medicine or not, it's more popular. >> let's play because both candidates did speak about trade and it's been one. big issues in both the republican and democratic races. let's hear what they had to say in their speeches this week. >> mr. trump may talk a big game on trade but his approach is
>> hillary clinton has supported the trade deals stripping this city and this country of its jobs and its wealth. >> george, your thoughts about how trade is playing out in this campaign. at least trump has been consistent. you can argue whether he's right or wrong, but at least he's been consistent in this campaign. clinton has really done about a 180-degree flip on trade. >> trump is a consistent 19th century republican. when the party believed in tariffs and the federal government was funded by tariffs and sale of land. subsequently, we have an income tax and things have changed. hillary clinton has just, as you say, done a somersault. she has a versatility of conviction and shows in this case particularly. the amazing thing is that no one since the 19th century, no one since around mckinley has won running on protectionism. this year is going to be the difference. someone opposed to free trade is going to win.
country on that issue has shifted. it's between bernie sanders and donald trump has brought that about. >> you know -- >> i was going to say, i agree with you. it has shifted. i don't think that people are -- i think that there's a new way to message about it. i think it's really unfortunate that in this campaign we've seen a den grags of trade. i think it's more complex. i live there. i talked to a dairy farmer who lis way he talks about law and order. but says hey, i export my milk. so i think that there has to be a new way to talk about trade and there has to be a better solution than we've been offering. >> the trade bump has become the idea of a new trade deal has become forbidden. hillary clinton said in her speech, i was against it, i am against it and i will be against it as president. the pacific trade deal. >> you know, again, a lot of this is just talk.
i mean, i have to look at the week as a whole. i think bernie sanders did something quite brilliant this week. he bought a -- proving that he's a man of the people. he bo aht third home, a vacation home on lake champlain so he can go there and write his memoirs about the revolution that didn't quite happen. >> as they say, the one thing they're not making more of is real estate. >> thank you all, panel. up next our power playeof week. the barefoot contessa makes
she says entertaining is hard. the trick is to make it easier. as we told you last october, she's been pulling that off for more than 17 years. building an army of devoted fans. here's our power player of the week. shows up. who is going to turn down a home-cooked meal. they're so rare now. >> one of america's favorite home cooks. the barefoot contessa as she's known has created an empire. >> there are cookbooks. >> i've written nine. >> how many books are in print? >> well over 10 million. >> the show on the food network she's been doing 14 years. >> how good does this look?
stew. i would say dinner is served. >> which is why the place was packed at an appearance in washington last fall. >> if i want to do a french apple tart, i have an idea the flavor, the texture, the scale. everything about it. and then i keep making it until i get it absolutely right. sometimes i can do it on five tries and sometimes it takes 25 tries. >> that is her goal. create recipes for cozy meals that look the same on your table as they do in her cookbook. >> you can make something really of fun. >> how do you make it simpler? how do you make it more fun? i try to do three things for dinner. one in of oven, one on the cook top and one in advance. it's not a balancing act. it's an easy thing to do. i plan it really well. >> but her path could not have been less planned. in 1978 she was working in jimmy carter's budget office on nuclear energy policy and not liking it.
store in westhampton new york, its name. the barefoot contessa. >> i saw this tiny store, like the size of these two chairs. there was somebody baking cookies in the kitchen. i said this is where i belong. >> where have you been all day? the mystery. >> i was up and about. and might have done a little shopping. >> her husband jeffrey a professor and former dean of yale business school has been her best friend along the way. and a featured tv show. >> i think everybody thinks he's goofy because he always does these crazy goofy things. he's really smart. he's just a wonderful, wonderful guy. >> built a barn next to her house in the hamptons where she tests her recipes and tapes her show. >> there's a wonderful oscar wild quote. work is easy, fun is hard. people are drawn to having fun. it really translates.
>> until they drag me out by my feet. >> a really nice complex flavor. >> every recipe is like a science experiment. >> when i'm done with it and there's a ping in my head and it's what i was looking for, it's extremely satisfying. i love that. >> she isn't done yet. in october she releases her tenth cookbook. cooking for jeffrey. about her husband's favorite recipes and their 47-year marriage. now a follow-up week. katie ledecky made history sweeping the 2 hurn, 400 and 800 freestyle swims at the olympics and setting two world records along the way. she also swam two relays winning gold and silver. a power player indeed. that's it for today. have a great week. we'll see you next week on fox news sunday.